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Message from n2nxz at Monday, 20-Dec-10 03:41:53 GMT
Here is an interesting program .
Would be good to see some stations using it in the Eastern Hemisphere.
Especially for 10 meter propagation study with the new solar cycle.
http://propnet.org/catch3.php?band=HY&last=1&call=¢er=US
Would be good to see some stations using it in the Eastern Hemisphere.
Especially for 10 meter propagation study with the new solar cycle.
http://propnet.org/catch3.php?band=HY&last=1&call=¢er=US
Message from tkruczek at Tuesday, 21-Dec-10 12:15:43 GMT
Very cool. I've heard about this before butit's the first time I've played with it.
I'll continue to research but wonder if you have setup details - basically, how to contribute to the reporting structure?
Tom / W1TXT
I'll continue to research but wonder if you have setup details - basically, how to contribute to the reporting structure?
Tom / W1TXT
Message from n2nxz at Tuesday, 21-Dec-10 13:44:07 GMT
Thank you for the reply and interest.
The reporting is automatic.Once the program is installed and setup with your information,all you have to do is let it run as long as you like.
Once your rig hears a signal,9 skimmers that search the waterfall will track down any psk31 signal.It will decode and then translate the information through the internet.There it finds the station info using QRZ.com and places the heard signal on the propnet signal report site for all to see.
http://propnet.org/catch3.php?band=HY&last=1&call=¢er=US
I like it quite a bit because it can run while away from home or while doing other things...like sleeping :)
I have made a few videos of how it works in order to help some others get going on it.They can be found here.This was my own signal on a local web radio.Ground wave was poor and too many birdies,so it did not work as good as hoped.Soon I will make a new one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zL475TPheg
73
Jim,N2NXZ
The reporting is automatic.Once the program is installed and setup with your information,all you have to do is let it run as long as you like.
Once your rig hears a signal,9 skimmers that search the waterfall will track down any psk31 signal.It will decode and then translate the information through the internet.There it finds the station info using QRZ.com and places the heard signal on the propnet signal report site for all to see.
http://propnet.org/catch3.php?band=HY&last=1&call=¢er=US
I like it quite a bit because it can run while away from home or while doing other things...like sleeping :)
I have made a few videos of how it works in order to help some others get going on it.They can be found here.This was my own signal on a local web radio.Ground wave was poor and too many birdies,so it did not work as good as hoped.Soon I will make a new one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zL475TPheg
73
Jim,N2NXZ
Message from ted707 at Friday, 31-Dec-10 05:50:44 GMT
Propnet is good stuff.
Other similar information can be seen at:
PSK Reporter (uses realtime HRD DM-780, FLdigi PSK31 and JT65-HF reports to plot map)
http://psk.gladstonefamily.net/pskmap.html
WSPRnet (uses WSPR mode to plot realtime maps)
http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map
DX Sherlock (uses DX spots to plot realtime on map)
http://www.vhfdx.info/spots/map.php
All of these tools can give you a good idea of what's going on around you on the air, and whether or not you have a chance of making a contact.
Other similar information can be seen at:
PSK Reporter (uses realtime HRD DM-780, FLdigi PSK31 and JT65-HF reports to plot map)
http://psk.gladstonefamily.net/pskmap.html
WSPRnet (uses WSPR mode to plot realtime maps)
http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map
DX Sherlock (uses DX spots to plot realtime on map)
http://www.vhfdx.info/spots/map.php
All of these tools can give you a good idea of what's going on around you on the air, and whether or not you have a chance of making a contact.
Message from Calico at Friday, 31-Dec-10 12:39:38 GMT
Thanks for sharing, these are some functional links !
I especially liked DX-Sherlock because it attempts to cover all continents band-by-band and makes good use of the announcements made on dx-cluster. Will definitely save this in my Favorites.
Reminds me of the also very good "DX-monitor" (http://www.ve3sun.com) placed at DX-Summit (http://www.dxsummit.fi)
Such sites really mean that any Global Tuners user could go e.g. to Dx-Sherlock, see where there is ham-traffic and then choose the appropriate Global Tuners radio to listen to it, then even perhaps request a QSL card. :-)
I especially liked DX-Sherlock because it attempts to cover all continents band-by-band and makes good use of the announcements made on dx-cluster. Will definitely save this in my Favorites.
Reminds me of the also very good "DX-monitor" (http://www.ve3sun.com) placed at DX-Summit (http://www.dxsummit.fi)
Such sites really mean that any Global Tuners user could go e.g. to Dx-Sherlock, see where there is ham-traffic and then choose the appropriate Global Tuners radio to listen to it, then even perhaps request a QSL card. :-)
Message from n2nxz at Saturday, 01-Jan-11 21:31:26 GMT
The other links are good,but I find them to be too human dependent.
The good part of propnet is it is 24/7 and never sleeps.
I find the biggest problem with 10 meters is the lack of human activity.
This makes any other program less instrumental for propagation study.
If I go here and do a 24 hour look...the screen is typically full of activity,where the others such as http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map show nothing similar and not even the stations that I see in real time.
Just my opinion.
Jim,N2NXZ
The good part of propnet is it is 24/7 and never sleeps.
I find the biggest problem with 10 meters is the lack of human activity.
This makes any other program less instrumental for propagation study.
If I go here and do a 24 hour look...the screen is typically full of activity,where the others such as http://wsprnet.org/drupal/wsprnet/map show nothing similar and not even the stations that I see in real time.
Just my opinion.
Jim,N2NXZ
Message from Calico at Saturday, 01-Jan-11 22:23:55 GMT
I like PropNet too, lovely idea, thanks for making us aware.
But are ham radios ready to support automatic (digital) identification so as to do away with human factor dependency?
If for example every time a ham radio transmitted, a digital ID was automatically sent and somehow automatically picked up as well, then this could be forwarded and mapped on the Internet.
However, if I correctly understand how PropNet works, this program is also human dependent too, as it requires not only someone to report band traffic (as is the case with DX-Cluster too) but also (one) needs to download and run the program, even in "lurker" mode if SWL?
Also what happens with all other contacts that are made on SSB, CW, RTTY etc?
Does PropNet cover them too as e.g. DX Monitor does?
FAQ section of ProPnet suggests
"1. What is PropNET?
PropNET is the name given to an innovative project that uses PSK31 to create an RF-based digital peer-to-peer network. Participants simply download PropNetPSK (a Windows program), enter a few station-specific parameters in order to take part."
Also, would you know if an operator's report via Propnet, would also appear in DX-Cluster and vice versa ? Or do people have to report to both systems?
Since they are both Internet based live databases, for everyone's benefit, it would be nice if the two automatically shared members contributions?
I do apologize in advance if I have misunderstood the concept :)
73
Tim
But are ham radios ready to support automatic (digital) identification so as to do away with human factor dependency?
If for example every time a ham radio transmitted, a digital ID was automatically sent and somehow automatically picked up as well, then this could be forwarded and mapped on the Internet.
However, if I correctly understand how PropNet works, this program is also human dependent too, as it requires not only someone to report band traffic (as is the case with DX-Cluster too) but also (one) needs to download and run the program, even in "lurker" mode if SWL?
Also what happens with all other contacts that are made on SSB, CW, RTTY etc?
Does PropNet cover them too as e.g. DX Monitor does?
FAQ section of ProPnet suggests
"1. What is PropNET?
PropNET is the name given to an innovative project that uses PSK31 to create an RF-based digital peer-to-peer network. Participants simply download PropNetPSK (a Windows program), enter a few station-specific parameters in order to take part."
Also, would you know if an operator's report via Propnet, would also appear in DX-Cluster and vice versa ? Or do people have to report to both systems?
Since they are both Internet based live databases, for everyone's benefit, it would be nice if the two automatically shared members contributions?
I do apologize in advance if I have misunderstood the concept :)
73
Tim
Message from n2nxz at Saturday, 01-Jan-11 23:45:58 GMT
Tim,
You make great points.
I find propnet easily maintained.I use an older rig,Kenwood TS520SE and it runs almost 24/7 if possible.
I like the part where I can sleep,eat and work and still get the benefits of ham radio action :)
When I wake up or come home from work,I am always fascinated what is found on the circuit quality report page.
Regardless of the theory of propagation,I find there is much more to learn about 10m and this seems to be a great consistent way to achieve this.So far the impossible (according to theory) has been observed.
My belief is 10 meters is open more often than we know.Just try this theory on a contest weekend and miraculously signals are heard.Most likely because more operators are on the air.
Basically,I have been very active on 10m for 3 years on a daily basis and so far,this program has given me a whole new hobby and enthusiasm with 10m.
Now if there were some stations operating in other parts of the world to actually take it a step further.
These are just my opinions,but the results speak for themselves.
Better explained here> http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm
Also,this operator dedicated his time for some great information.
http://propnet-studies.blogspot.com/
Hope this is useful for our 10 meter buffs out there :)
Jim,N2NXZ
You make great points.
I find propnet easily maintained.I use an older rig,Kenwood TS520SE and it runs almost 24/7 if possible.
I like the part where I can sleep,eat and work and still get the benefits of ham radio action :)
When I wake up or come home from work,I am always fascinated what is found on the circuit quality report page.
Regardless of the theory of propagation,I find there is much more to learn about 10m and this seems to be a great consistent way to achieve this.So far the impossible (according to theory) has been observed.
My belief is 10 meters is open more often than we know.Just try this theory on a contest weekend and miraculously signals are heard.Most likely because more operators are on the air.
Basically,I have been very active on 10m for 3 years on a daily basis and so far,this program has given me a whole new hobby and enthusiasm with 10m.
Now if there were some stations operating in other parts of the world to actually take it a step further.
These are just my opinions,but the results speak for themselves.
Better explained here> http://www.wcflunatall.com/nz4o5.htm
Also,this operator dedicated his time for some great information.
http://propnet-studies.blogspot.com/
Hope this is useful for our 10 meter buffs out there :)
Jim,N2NXZ
Message from Calico at Sunday, 02-Jan-11 00:47:37 GMT
You are right Jim about 10m, what a lovely band and maybe one of the very few HF bands that we can all easily come up with an antenna and get on the air in a jiff! Being in between HF and VHF, 10m band is a bit of a mysterious "hybrid", difficult to predict as we go through the solar spot phases.
Good old faithful Kenwoods, wonder if you had to use any spare tubes for the 520 so far? Have the 830 here, same old line, he he what a ritual to tune this era's radios, but clean receivers, maybe not DC to light, but just because of this maybe, very clean! :)
Skimmed through the two nice links, and would have left a note with reference to you for raising awareness re. his blogspot, but it wanted one's Gmail user and password?
I wonder which Global Tuners radio is the best to listen one day to your PSK /any transmissions and what times?
Cheers,
Tim
Good old faithful Kenwoods, wonder if you had to use any spare tubes for the 520 so far? Have the 830 here, same old line, he he what a ritual to tune this era's radios, but clean receivers, maybe not DC to light, but just because of this maybe, very clean! :)
Skimmed through the two nice links, and would have left a note with reference to you for raising awareness re. his blogspot, but it wanted one's Gmail user and password?
I wonder which Global Tuners radio is the best to listen one day to your PSK /any transmissions and what times?
Cheers,
Tim
Message from n2nxz at Sunday, 02-Jan-11 01:23:20 GMT
Yes ,10m is very interesting.I think it attracts me the most due to the mysterious behavior.
The 520 can be a chore having to tune it every time the dial is moved.
You get used to it,but sometimes wish I had a newer rig...maybe someday.
Do not have an account to the blogspot either.Interesting read however.
As far as hearing my signal,here is the link to the nearest tuner.Matter of fact,been experiencing some interesting ground wave behavior too.
http://onlinereceivers.net/rx322.php
Too bad it is not in the GT list.Would be nice to see all web
tuners consolidated.
Here is a capture of an odd ground wave psk31 signal from W2EV @ about 2700 hz.
http://www.xbeacon.com/n2nxz/
Thanks for the reply and interest.
73
Jim,N2NXZ
The 520 can be a chore having to tune it every time the dial is moved.
You get used to it,but sometimes wish I had a newer rig...maybe someday.
Do not have an account to the blogspot either.Interesting read however.
As far as hearing my signal,here is the link to the nearest tuner.Matter of fact,been experiencing some interesting ground wave behavior too.
http://onlinereceivers.net/rx322.php
Too bad it is not in the GT list.Would be nice to see all web
tuners consolidated.
Here is a capture of an odd ground wave psk31 signal from W2EV @ about 2700 hz.
http://www.xbeacon.com/n2nxz/
Thanks for the reply and interest.
73
Jim,N2NXZ
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